Episode 25: Halloween Treats – Full Transcript
Jordan Ostroff 0:00
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Mark Miller 1:01
Hello listeners and Happy Halloween assuming of course, you’re listening to this on Halloween. And if you’re not well, we’re sorry We missed you on the day of drop. Today we’ve got a special episode for you. Jordan asked me to put together a compilation of some of the highlights over the past six months of podcasts. And so that’s what I’ve done. You’re going to hear from some great people like Tom Jelinek of on target digital marketing, Blair Jackson of our own Jordan law, Charlotte urban of Orlando tax law, and several other past guests. I really hope you enjoy what we put together today. And now on with the show. To start us off. today. We’re going to be hearing back from Aaron Paul, on some of the advice that he offers business owners on managing their wealth,
Aaron Paul 1:48
and enjoying the act of delegating and identifying when you should be taking risks and when you should be just socking away cash
And the advice side of that is
make sure that there’s a justifiable reason why you’re going to expand, if you’re going to hire someone, if you’re gonna move into a new office, if you’re gonna move into a bigger office, if you’re going to have another location, there needs to be a specific on paper finite, laid out reason of exactly why it’s happening. Not just oh, well, you know, on my business card, I want there to be another office address, because I feel like that would make people you know, think that I’m better than I am, or would add credibility to my company. Do you have any focus there? Do you have any clients? No, no, the answer’s no. And all those Well, that’s not a good decision. But for a company that’s already existing, it can almost be more of a liability to make these decisions. Because in the beginning, you can kind of fix and go back but once you start getting a footing in the industry, and people start noticing it’s hard to make decisions and have it not be public. So I would say make sure that your overall image of your company is what you’re embodying on a day to day basis. When you make decisions, especially as an existing business and make sure that you’re constantly revisiting who your go to core group of professionals is. Because I have professionals that are absolutely the best in their industry, but they’ve gotten so busy, they’re not as good as they used to be. And I you don’t go back and revisit that. you’re receiving subpar service. So circling the wagons is really probably the most important thing for an existing business owner and having a specific identified path of where your business is going and why. And I mean, in the next month, three months, nine months in a year, written down, and then if it doesn’t happen, you need to be revisiting why, and doing that continuously to make sure that nothing falls off the wagon.
Mark Miller 3:41
Thank you, Erin, for that amazing advice. Now we’re going to hear from Lewis monotone of the lead firm. He’s going to talk to us a little bit about overtime rules and how they apply to both hourly and salaried employee. Take it away lose.
Louis Montone 3:56
Well, there are again thresholds for this But many, many companies are covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act. The FSA is the federal law that governs federal minimum wage and overtime, which is also federal. I kinda want to talk about overtime is I think I see a lot more, it’s very easy to violate that overtime is when you work more than 40 hours in one week, it’s not two weeks, it’s not the BI weekly pay period. It doesn’t matter what your internal accounting processes, it’s a 40 hour a week thing. And so, you know, many companies just don’t pay that premium, which is time and a half for every hour over 40. Now say this, there are many, there are some exemptions that rule. And there are many regulations that, you know, someone’s paid straight commissions, you know, instead of getting an hourly rate there are there are a lot of different ways that people are paid. And so there are a lot of different analysis that we have to do to see if there’s actually a violation or not to see if they were really paid properly. If that makes sense. It gets kind of complicated.
Jordan Ostroff 4:52
When, when does the week restart? I believe
Unknown Speaker 4:56
you can do that how you’d like I have to try That I think it’s every regulation. But I believe you can just start how you want to, like you can do Monday, the Monday and I don’t think that necessarily matters. It’s just it can’t be the BI weekly thing, like, you know, if you worked 80 hours and if you work 45 hours in two weeks, but those five hours were all in the first week you worked 45 the first week? That’s right, right.
Jordan Ostroff 5:17
I wonder how many businesses will do like Wednesday to Wednesday for their week, so they can you know, sneak people in or something?
Unknown Speaker 5:23
Yeah, you know, not again, I’m not sure if I’m just on that side of it. I mean, typically, it’s a generic, you know, Monday or Sunday start time and, and, you know, for hourly employees, you know, they’re usually punching in but um, biggest mistake of business can do is not have accurate records of the time sheets and everything. That’s how they get trouble.
Jordan Ostroff 5:39
And so it’s not somebody can work 10 hours in a day, that’s not over time. Once you get past eight, it’s just has to be over 40 for the week, correct? Emily? Correct. Okay. What are some of the other things that you see when it comes to the overtime issues?
Unknown Speaker 5:53
Well, it’s usually the documentation on it. That’s usually where there just aren’t clean, accurate. Records. And the burden is on the employer to keep those, believe it or not any sound unfair. But the way these laws are arranged is that you know, they don’t feel waiting our claims would ever be possible if an employee was to be in charge of like business records. So the employer has the burden under the overtime law to maintain proper records. And a lot of times the fight is over that, you know, the employer employee tells me I work 10 hours every week over time, so I started doing the math, and the number starts to get pretty big pretty fast. And then the employer says, That’s impossible. This person never did that. That’s just that’s just complete lie. Well, if there’s proper documentation of it, it’s a lot easier to be the case, you know, and so, like any legal dispute, you know, you want to be as far away from the gray area as possible on that. I mean,
Jordan Ostroff 6:41
in proper documentation, that could be an email from the employee, the employer, hey, these are my hours for last week, right? I mean, it doesn’t have to be a formal punch card or something along those lines.
Unknown Speaker 6:49
It doesn’t have to be but the formal the electronic punch cards are best. And a lot of issues are not the hourly people were kind of discussing hourly people in this example, a salary people can be eligible for overtime to that’s a very common violation. That’s called a misclassification. You know, sometimes people believe that if you’re on salary automatically are exempt for overtime. That’s not correct. It’s not automatically that there’s a there are certain elements that have to be met for each exemption. And so that’s another very common violation.
Mark Miller 7:19
Next up, we have Mr. Jordan Ostroff himself from our pilot episode of The let’s get up to business Podcast, where he reflects on some of the not mistakes, but maybe in advised ideas that he had when he first started the law firm. Jordan, can you please tell us a little bit more about that?
Jordan Ostroff 7:39
Thank you. So what’s the greatest flaw or mistake that you made? And how did it help you get to where you are now? For me, this one’s easy. And really, I don’t even want to say that it’s a flower mistake, but it’s the biggest struggle that I brought on myself that wasn’t forced on by anybody else. About nine months into opening up my own firm at the opportunity to purchase an already at Established firm. And I went ahead and did that because I knew I wanted to grow and knew I wanted more cases, I wanted more the ability to have more attorneys. And I thought that would kind of jump started. The problem for me was I didn’t know I hadn’t been doing this long enough to know what I was getting into. So as simple as all of my stuff was on the Gmail and the Gmail sweet, and the firm that I bought, all their stuff was on Outlook, and the Microsoft suite. So for about three months, I was running two completely different firms with two totally different emails with everything. And I was able to kind of realize where the problems were in that and kind of see how I wanted to do things in a more modern situation and how a more established firm was doing things and merge the best of both worlds together. took me probably about a year to get it to where I wanted, and even to some extent now it’s still not because I’m a perfectionist, but that was definitely my biggest struggle. And you know, it made me who I am today because it forced me to have policies and procedures Police force me to have, you know, consistency across a larger caseload. It forced me to be able to, you know, do the right thing for each individual case, even when you have more clients. And it’s really shaped a lot of how we run our firm now, where, you know, we’ve got five attorneys, we’ve got actually fewer staff than we have attorney. So we’re very attorney focused firm. A lot of that comes from seeing the things that I saw that I wanted to do when I was a solo, to be able to bring them into a larger firm.
Mark Miller 9:28
Our second guest on the show was Charlotte Erdman from Orlando tax law. She discussed some reasons, you might get one of those dreaded letters from the IRS and what you should do about it when that letter arrives in your mailbox. Now, hopefully, you’re not one of the people who ever has to call her but if you do, Charlotte admin,
Charlotte Erdmann 9:49
sometimes what happens let’s, let me give an example if someone files a return, they think they have all of their documentation that were sent by all the third parties all their employers, the banks and everything, they gathered it up. They had their tax returns prepare, prepare their return they filed, they think they’re all good. And then lo and behold, nine months, 10 months down the road, they get a letter from the IRS saying you didn’t file and include this document, we’re going to assess you this additional amount. And so, you know, under those types of circumstances, the taxpayer did everything right, they might have moved, they might not have gotten a document. And then we can kind of fix their issue from there. So it can happen like that, where there’s the best intentions and in taxpayer does everything right.
Jordan Ostroff 10:40
In that situation you talked about though, I mean, that doesn’t sound like that’s going to be too big of a mistake.
Charlotte Erdmann 10:45
It can be, you know, if someone sold, you know, a ton of stock and then didn’t get a forum from their brokerage. You know, the impact can be, you know, Quite a lot, the IRS is going to make an assumption that they sold that stock that they bought the stock sorry for for zero dollars and that they sold it for what they sold it for as opposed to, you know, actually buying it for what they bought it for, which is going to, you know, greatly reduce the amount of gain and us the tax that they pay. So, you know, those mistakes can be a few hundred bucks to thousands and thousands and 10s of thousands of dollars. So, you know, I think I have one one client that’s coming in that that we’re looking at, you know, potentially an impact of millions based on that kind of issue.
Mark Miller 11:40
Of course, while we don’t normally toot our own horns, it was important to us that we get player Jackson on the podcast as soon as he joined the firm players, an amazing business attorney in the Orlando area, and he has some great advice for anybody who is starting, currently running or is possibly thinking of getting Going a business here in Central Florida?
Blair Jackson 12:04
Well, like I said, you know, you’re looking at whether it’s, you can make them, you know whether you can reasonably accommodate them. So I don’t think sometimes you have to ask the question, because Don’t forget, it’s not what’s in your mind, or not what decision you ultimately made. But if you’re seeing that individual, and it’s very apparent to them, for example, you know, they may be quadriplegic and simply not able to lift 35 pounds over their head. I don’t think you need to ask a follow up question about that.
Jordan Ostroff 12:37
Okay, you know, what about phone interview? I mean, then if you’re in a position where you’re not aware of any potential limitations,
Unknown Speaker 12:45
well, I think the probably the way that you could handle that would be to say that there’s nothing wrong with you saying this is a very physical job, okay. And it requires you to do X, Y and Z. Do you think that you’re physically capable of doing That type of job, you know? And I mean, if they say yes, again, you’re going to be able to also, you know, as an employer 2019, you know, and I’m sure you would agree, you’re not just relying on the internet, you know, you’re going to be checking references and and doing your due diligence to find out about the individual before you hire them.
Jordan Ostroff 13:22
Well, and we also had Dr. Aaron Webb on one of our earlier segments, who does a lot of evaluations of potential employees to see how they are from a health standpoint will do the physicals beforehand. So that may be an easier way to figure out
Unknown Speaker 13:35
well, absolutely. And there’s no that that’s a perfect point. And there’s nothing wrong with requiring that as part of this. But it’s more stepping into, you know, potentially a Pandora’s box where, you know, you’re asking something and it may not have even been your intention to get to a certain point but it’s received a certain way and something like that can be the of a lawsuit. You know, there are lots of attorneys that are hungry to take that. And especially if you’re, you know, you’re bigger target if you’re doing well, right, you know, and you have resources. So it’s like, Okay, well, I’m going to, you know, plenty of situations where I’m going to, you know, take my pound of flesh, you know, out of this company, because because the fact they didn’t hire me, and they may just decide to write you a check, because it’s a cost of doing business. So,
Blair Jackson 14:31
to the extent that you can avoid that.
Mark Miller 14:34
One of my personal favorite episodes from the past six months was this one, where Jordan sat down with Sarah Brady of Sarah Brady PR. Her firm works out of Winter Park and has worked with some of the most amazing people in throughout the nation. When she sat down with Jordan, she gave people some great advice on when and when not to talk after a crisis happens, sir, please tell us what to do.
Sara Brady 14:58
I you know, I sit down With the with the people involved and and we have a, you know real heart to heart talk about the circumstances what happened. And I asked a bunch of questions. I’m a former journalist, I’m going to ask the same questions that media is going to ask. And then I asked how comfortable they are to talk to media how, how comfortable they are to maybe, you know, help with a strategy. Are you comfortable with us saying these you know, and and begin working and creating a strategy to address it in the immediate that’d be the the first phase and then you know, the next phase and if there’s another phase and and plot all of that out, but in those first hours, it’s it’s just hitting the ground running.
Jordan Ostroff 15:42
So in that situation, I mean, worst case scenario is going to be they’ve already said too much or worst case scenario is going to be there is nothing to defend. You’re just apologizing. I mean, what’s
Sara Brady 15:55
what’s the worst thing for you worst case scenario is that they have already spoken to media and said too much. Okay. Because it’s usually not thoughtful, it’s emotional. And, you know, news media isn’t going to want to come back and do any kind of major follow up and correct it, they got their story, they’re on to the next story. So those first hours are really critical. really critical to make sure their side gets out there to make sure it doesn’t get worse, both of those things to make sure that they don’t do any damage, that there’s no damage being done. And, you know, it’s not uncommon for me to step in and say, listen, they brought me on, we don’t have any information for you right now. We may we may be able to talk to you, you know, tomorrow or, you know, in the next couple of hours or will send you a statement. So and I think, you know, I always I, I’ve been, I make fun of news media sometimes, but I really love news media. I love that’s where that’s where I come from. They have a really important job to do, and certain in this climate where news media is being sort of treated really badly, I think we all have to value the role they play in our society, because it’s so important. But that doesn’t mean that when they come to the door, or when they call that you should be talking to them because it’s not necessarily in your best interest. So, my job is to, you know, let’s just, let’s just wait. And let’s be thinking about what we want to say we may want to tell everything, we may want to say nothing. So you have to have the time to understand what happened to to know what you can or can’t do next.
Mark Miller 17:38
subbing in for Jordan one week, Heather trick, his wife and partner sat down with Patricia Walden of commercial associates and discuss some of the what she does to help team building within her firm. If you’re not familiar with commercial associates, they help people buy and sell other businesses. Here’s what she and Heather discussed
Patricia Walden 17:58
team right now. Do you offer a team building opportunities for your company I usually do I try to do a once a year education or lunch where they bring their families and usually at the house and we just kind of get together and have a casual time to get to know each other and their families so that everybody feels comfortable with one another so we feel like family that’s the best team building I can think of.
Heather Trick 18:19
Yeah as a as a business we’re always looking for opportunities to bring you know morale up and get the team together since we’re all over the place all the time. And we’ve tried SeaWorld with the firm and lunches and different things. What
Unknown Speaker 18:35
do you find works best?
Heather Trick 18:37
anything anything to get you out of the office? We we did a movie and shut down and went to Avengers. Oh, wonderful. Yeah, yeah. So, but a house a nice house gathering. Sounds nice as well.
Unknown Speaker 18:52
We’re planning our next educational meeting for our team at the house and I’ve got my friends XE Pa has been his VVA is going to be teaching some aspects of what we do. And then we’ll have lunch and invite the families to come by and, and it’s just, it’s a nice way to get together in a nice way to see each other and keep up. But I try to do one on one lunches with everybody and keep up with what they’re doing and what they need and reaching out to them. So I really try to make it feel like they understand that they’re wanted in there, and what they think is valuable.
Mark Miller 19:27
Eric Decker’s is one of the people that Jordan still quotes on a regular basis after having been on the podcast a few months ago. If you’re looking for some great advice on how to research a topic that you’re unfamiliar with, and how to put together a good content for your site, or for any project that you’re working on. Contact Eric. He knows what he’s talking about to get a hint of what that may be curious,
in other cases.
Jordan Ostroff 19:58
I just lost my train of thought. They’re saying In some cases, they’re just giving you a broad overarching topic. It’s up to you to write the article. And then in other cases,
Erik Deckers 20:06
I guess they’re being more specific. They’re being more specific. It’s a it’s a specific question. That’s a specific industry. It’s, it’s something that, that I get to delve into more, because a lot of my clients, I just find what they do interesting. And there have been some situations where the same knowledge has served me over three or four clients. I’ve got a couple of clients that do artificial intelligence and machine learning. And they are in completely different industries. But what I learned in one I was able to bring to the other and and just write again, off the top of my head about what I knew, for artificial intelligence for oil and gas companies. Let’s say
so are you
Jordan Ostroff 20:50
mean are you cross referencing these topics with Google Analytics or search information or whatnot? Or is it more targeting, you know what’s going on in the industry?
Unknown Speaker 21:00
I look more at what’s happening in the industry. Although I do pay attention to Google Analytics and see which topics are performing well, which topics are, are ranking high, which pages are ranking higher and are on the analytics, you know, which ones are people visiting the most. And that kind of tells us people want more of this topic. If they’re reading a lot about this, they want more about this particular subject. But that doesn’t necessarily mean pages that aren’t getting many visits aren’t doing anything. And it doesn’t mean that we have to stop talking about something because it didn’t get a lot of traffic. Sometimes it means yes, we stopped talking about it. Other times, that means we have to talk about this more we you know, we only wrote one article about the subject and 20 people visited it last month. Let’s do more.
Jordan Ostroff 21:52
So I mean, so you truly are doing the very you know, white hat SEO I mean, you’re writing for the person and then tracking and people are actually reading it to figure out Where to go from there? Correct.
Unknown Speaker 22:01
And that was, that’s always been one of the things that we did. Because, you know, back in 2010 2011, it was still kind of the wild frontier when it came to SEO, and there were a lot of black hat tricks that you could do. And just some of the stuff that was being written at that time was just garbage. And the reason we were hired by certain SEO firms is because we wrote Well, we knew the SEO rules, and we would follow those. But we wrote it for the human reader, not the bots. And as a result, when Google implemented their pet Panda and Penguin algorithm updates, you saw all of these other companies just drop away, right? We were, we were still standing. We stayed at the at the top of the ranks, if not going higher, because of those algorithm updates. And so six months later, you saw these SEO companies writing these articles about how I recovered from panda how I recovered from penguin. We never had Right, those, we were always we’ve always written for people first and an SEO second. But that doesn’t mean we don’t know how to do SEO just means that’s not our first focus. Well, I mean,
Jordan Ostroff 23:12
the SEO has moved towards what you all were doing. I mean, instead of writing the article that says, hey, you know, business owners and Orlando Contact us to learn more about how to run a business in Orlando as a business owner, or Orlando, exactly. They as as the algorithms try to make it more human reading. I mean, that’s what you guys have been doing all the time.
Unknown Speaker 23:29
Right. And you know, SEO has changed to the point where they look at human behaviors. How long did a person read this article? How long did they stay on the page? Did they visit several pages on the site? Or do they go to the one and leave again, and when they found you on Google? Did they even click to see what you had to offer? And so there, there are over 200 factors that go into SEO ranking. So you know, we certainly can’t control all of them, but there are four or five or six that we can focus And based on other research that other search engine optimization professionals have done, they’re pretty important factors. And one of the most important factors is just you have to have interesting content that people want to read for a while.
Mark Miller 24:15
Tom Jelinek runs on target digital media up in Maitland, Florida. He talks with Jordan about content creation, telling stories, and what it means to say no to a customer.
Tom Jelnick 24:27
So, probably like in your world, everything we do is about being different. It’s the pitch, right? So when I sit them down, I’m not talking about websites, right? I’m not talking about Facebook. I’m talking about how to reach consumers. And when you start talking a different language than every other web design company in this town, and there’s hundreds of them now. They speak a different language. It connects with their brain and they’re like, Oh, yeah, I just want to connect with consumers in a different in a different way. And yes, on target knows how to do that and and then we’ll get into specifics, but Like I don’t dig into, well, you need a WordPress website with 42 pages. I don’t get in the weeds. I just really try to get into I see your messaging, tell me who you’re trying to reach. And let’s drill down on that. Do I get pushback? seldom? Do I have people walk away? seldom, and I don’t say that again to be cocky or arrogant. It’s just, it’s it’s going after the right audience.
Jordan Ostroff 25:29
So in that moment,
what are the biggest mistakes that you’re seeing out of small business owners?
Tom Jelnick 25:37
Well, honestly, shiny object syndrome is probably the biggest one. I’ve worked with a lot of doctors, and I don’t work with a lot of doctors anymore. So doctors, unfortunately are very well. Fortunately, they’re very, very busy and have very minimal time to be interrupted. But a lot of people will manage to come into a doctor’s office and interrupt them with marketing shiny objects. You know, Dr. XU need these videos, or Dr. x, you know, email marketing is the way to go. And I specialize in that. So a lot of times they just chase the shiny object and they don’t stick to it. So all of those tactics and things, yes, they can work. But it needs to be bigger than it needs to be a bigger approach needs to be, again words first, how are we going to craft this message? So I see, I see a lot of doctors chase shiny objects. I’ve seen attorneys chase shiny objects as well. But I think I think that people who realize that not everything is always about lead gen as well. So a lot of companies online also realize that they need to brand and they need to be recognizable. There’s a site development company we’re working with right now and they get it. They understand that. You know, when you’re selling 150 to $300,000 project, your website may not be the first place to people Go to fill out a contact form and say I need that, you know, I need that $400,000 site development. It’s it’s relationship, right. So it’s building relationships and basically solidifying those relationships with with content and being present in certain places. So I think that people that really get that and understand that succeed greater than the ones who chase shiny objects all day.
Mark Miller 27:25
Back in Episode 12, Jordan sat down with Dr. Aaron web and discuss new people coming onto the team and some of his expectations within his chiropractic for
Jordan Ostroff 27:35
for you all to much more about the client.
Dr. Aaron Webb 27:38
Exactly. So one of the biggest characteristics that I have to say when I sit down with someone and they’re joining our team, so I don’t have any employees. The only employee I would say would be myself because really, I work for the company more than anyone else. Everyone else is a team Remember, we are on the same team, we all have the same goal, the same objective. And when I meet with a potential team member, I always say, can you be nice to people? Can you open the door? Can you smile? Can you be friendly? Can you have a bad day at home and not have a bad day at work? Because people come into a doctor’s office, do they want to be there, generally speaking, know, they’re hurt, they’re in pain, they’re sick, there’s something wrong. Some people do come in for wellness based care, and they do want to be there and I get that and I’m happy and really appreciative of them. But a lot of people come in because my wife and I were driving home and we were t boned by a semi truck driver or by someone who was texting or, you know, this thing happened to us. And now they might not have the sunniest disposition when they’re in our office. And so if if the members of my team can’t be kind, then they can’t be on our team.
Jordan Ostroff 29:04
Yeah, I always tell people that, you know, common sense and common human decency are no longer so common.
Dr. Aaron Webb 29:09
Yeah. human decency. Yes, common sense. abundantly. So
Google is kind of helped me out and common sense. So sometimes, yeah. Well if if you’re going to Google you know best Kairos and Orlando, you’ll come up then obviously, Google has common sense pretty much pretty much unless my ad words run out.
Jordan Ostroff 29:27
There you go.
Mark Miller 29:29
And here’s Jordan again, to finish this out.
Jordan Ostroff 29:32
We hope that this podcast will bring a lot of insight guidance perspective and really at the end of the day, peace of mind to anybody who is currently running a small to medium sized business or plans to be running a small or medium sized business in the near future. You know, it goes back to the age old age old adage you know, stitch in time saves nine the early bird gets the worm etc. However, you know, even us having run this firm for several years, still learn things every day to, you know, to better our business so that we can better serve our clients, whether that’s updates on case law, whether that’s new business development ideas, whether that’s new relationships that we can build upon and help grow. So I hope that you’ll enjoy this podcast. With this being a new podcast, we would ask for a review, if you get the chance, an honest one, hopefully, that’s going to be a five star review. And if you have any information or any ideas or any feedback on the podcast, please send me an email. My email is Jordan JORDAN at Jordan law fl.com.
Mark Miller 30:34
Well, that’s all we got for you today, folks. I hope you enjoyed it again. Happy Halloween to everybody out there. And if you’re not listening to this on Halloween, well, you know, maybe wait a few more months till Halloween rolls around again and listen to it all over. Talk to you soon. We’ll have another episode in our regular feed next Thursday morning as usual, and if you’re looking for something to do till then check out our website at Jordan, la FL com make sure you like us on Facebook. That’s facebook.com slash Jordan, la FL and our Florida man show is going to start taking off more often. So we really hope you tune in for that. It does go live on both YouTube and Facebook. So look for it soon and we will talk to you later. Thank you. Bye.
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